The Cohhilition

theskuggi wrote:chill out guys, so budget is 1k, that's doable. Do you have a Mouse/Keyboard/Monitor that you currently enjoy using? Also what is your preferred store? Also any idea of what games you'll be wanting to play on it? Current/upcoming?

Indeed it would be nice to keep a more friendly attitude, secondly it would be nice if OP answerd those questions so we would know what things to include into the budget.

Lonkley wrote:If you're going the APU route, you may as well get a PS4.

Also, I made a mental mistake Broadwell is the upcoming chipset, and current gen is Haswell.

You can build a system for $1000 that will run 1080p well. You don't need to go crazy until you start pushing higher resolutions. I always try to hit a price performance balance.

I just spent a little time throwing together a system.
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/Publi ... r=31368087

One, I assume you have keyboard, mouse, and monitor. Two, I assume you either don't want a dvd etc drive, or already have one. Ive gotten to the point I just either use USB to install windows or just temporarily install one from another box. I went H87 chipset for the two banks of memory, you can fill it 2x4 now, and if need be add another 2x4 down the road. You probably wont need to. If you really need to you can go 4x8.

I went with a a gtx 770 which should power games really prettily through 1080p. This one has 4gb a ram, which I think will be useful. It's $280, and I do have some trepidation, because another $50 will get to a 970 with 2gb (and again, I think 2gb is not good enough anymore.)

I didnt research anything heavily. Prices are always in flux, there's a bunch of rebates, and 2 game combos that dont show with the public list. (Presequel and World of Tanks).

Also newegg will start having black friday sales probably as soon as November. That could be a hit or miss, it was a lot more fun when they had actual black friday with real deals. Still, if you are patient with a plan you could probably shave 10 or 20% or more on components. Although often its the stuff that isnt selling and has poor reviews (or good stuff priced over market).

You're wrong in one thing, there is no such thing as a 970 2gb, both the 980 and the 970 has a stock memmory of 4gb and since they are the stock ones they arent really hard to find.

callumdk wrote:Lonkley i'm going to say this as nice as possible, don't ever market your self as a helper or a pc builder for family or friends ever again

https://community.newegg.com/eggxpert/c ... ected=true

the PSU is a tier5 on this list which means its beyond garbage and can fry your system, these products have been tested and reviewed as beyond horrible and never perform more than perhaps 65-70% of their listed wattage

the GPU is outdated like nothing before, yes he is building a "budget" gaming computer , but really even the motherboard is beyond subpar , horrible chipset that wont be able to perform in any way or handle any major upgrades.

The memory , 1333mhz ? , what is this ? , year 2008-09 ?

Do your self a favor Slade, save up a little more money and buy what i listed and you will be set for 3-4 years atleast.

There is good combo deals comming out, and Black Friday comes in November , then the 1200$ build i listed you would possibly be able to get for around 1000$

The list you both are refering to feels really basic. Jonnyguru.com is considered the most credible site when it comes to psu reviews. However he didnt have review on either of the supplies but bjorn3d and annandtech had reviews. The rosewill was "decent all-around" and the seasonic was really good. However there is only one king of the psu-market right now, the evga supernova g2.
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?na ... 6&reid=380

You make the cheap chipset sound way to bad the main differnce between h97 and z97 is that you cant overclock on h97 and that you cant run sli(plusminus some sata ports here and there).Otherwise there is no peformance differnce.(however i do agree that in this budget range you should run z97).

Then we got the gpu, the 770 might be older but since the new maxwell launch the prices has droped and you might get one really cheap. However you should go for the stock 2gb version. 2gb is enough for 1080p and if you want to go higher you wont have the horsepower to calculate it anyway so 4gb is not worth it.

Lonkley wrote:I don't recall streaming being an issue, and I wouldn't do it at all other than a stopgap until more cash/chosen card is available.

If I was streaming I would put it on different box and save the headaches. Or at least create a different set of them.

Might someone care to explain the reasons why you should have a seperate streaming computer? Streaming via shadowplay is really easy(although it might bug sometimes and you can't have overlays(however they are going to implement it)) but as you said he didnt meantion streaming.

Lonkley wrote: And not to get in a pissing match, but MSI is hardly the stellar name in hardware.

where did you get that from??

nodepoker wrote:Wife and I are hoping to upgrade in the next few months, keeping an eye on this.

As you can see this is starting to look like a wall of text so to make it clean and simple i would recommend that you start your own thread when the time comes.

Last,but not least. OP would you be so kind to post your gear so that we know what needs an update

h3ll0j3ll0 wrote:As you can see this is starting to look like a wall of text so to make it clean and simple i would recommend that you start your own thread when the time comes.

I most likely won't be starting a thread. I know where to read the reviews and find the information I need. I just tagged this thread to get some more opinions. I couldn't fine a way to subscribe without posting. Usually there is a "thread tools" button or something and I just couldn't locate it.

The thing about me , i've always been very outspoken i call a shovel for a shovel, thats just how things are and will always stay with me, and i will never build a half assed system for anyone or recommend anything half assed , you do know that list from eggxpert is in coop with jonnyguru alot of times.

I've been in this market for 15 years now , i know what i am talking about when it comes to hardware, considering this is my livelyhood and considering i'm still a nerd deep down, i would never post anything that isn't true.

and MSI is not stellar in hardware ? , like what ? , they make damn good gaming motherboards along with gigabyte and asus , not to mention that their GPU's are pretty darn good as well.

To each his own.

The list you both are refering to feels really basic.

I'm not referring to anything. As I said in my post, I didnt do research on each part for the build. I was just pointing out the obvious on a pretty insulting post. At this point I've bought some 30 odd rosewills and havent had one burn out. The build quality has been just fine. Can't say the same about some other name brands. Rosewill uses the same OEMs as a lot of fancier names. You pick a part, check for reviews by people who actually place it under load testing and go from there.

You make the cheap chipset sound way to bad the main differnce between h97 and z97 is that you cant overclock on h97 and that you cant run sli(plusminus some sata ports here and there).Otherwise there is no peformance differnce.(however i do agree that in this budget range you should run z97).

If you're not going to overclock, there's no need for the z chipsets and you automatically add additional cost to the motherboard. I assume someone who needs to ask a forum for advice on a build and has $1k to spend isn't going to overclock or go SLI. Also, these cross generational boards that promise future compatibility always seems gimmicky to me, which is why I went H87 instead of H97. If im going to change processors, I want the features that go along with it, and that usually means newer chipsets. There's no need to go Broadwell any time soon considering the cpu is never the bottleneck. Hell my I7 sandy bridge has never come close to being taxed.

Then we got the gpu, the 770 might be older but since the new maxwell launch the prices has droped and you might get one really cheap. However you should go for the stock 2gb version. 2gb is enough for 1080p and if you want to go higher you wont have the horsepower to calculate it anyway so 4gb is not worth it.

I did not know that, I thought the launch reference was 2gb. Which didn't make sense.

As I mentioned before, I think 4gb safeguards the future console ports. I think we're going to find a lot of sloppy ports with unoptimized textures. Extra memory will help. But who knows. But yes, traditionally 2gb has been more than enough. I found a 770 for $280, the other guy specced a $350 970. A 970 is certainly preferable, but so would a lot of other things. For another ~$75 I'd add a ssd for the boot drive before upping the gpu.

Might someone care to explain the reasons why you should have a seperate streaming computer? Streaming via shadowplay is really easy(although it might bug sometimes and you can't have overlays(however they are going to implement it)) but as you said he didnt meantion streaming.

Purely my bias. If i was a streamer, I would rather have a second machine streaming so as not to deal with alt-tabbing around to make changes, run a soundboard, additional cameras, etc. Leave the gaming machine to the game. Also I rather use a capture card so I could grab consoles. I havent tried shadowplay since it's early releases, which was super basic. I haven't looked to see if it's improve. Actually the first time I tried it, it wouldn't even stream to twitch. OBS has been easier when I've played around with it.

As for MSI, maybe their rep changed but they were always the low price boards. Especially during the era of cheap capacitors that caused a ton of hardware to fail.

That said, I bought 4 of them over the past few years to try recently for sandy/ivy bridge. First, OC Genie didn't work (tried it for the hell of it). Not shocking. But it clocked what it said was stable, then failed overnight memtest. One I had to ship back to factory to get a firmware upgrade for it to recognize a processor (Manufacturer date of board was 4 months after release of cpu). And just last week, while playing with the system fan settings on one, the bios defaulted and windows stopped booting. Took me hours to realize that the default setting was to use IDE mode instead of AHCI. Why the hell a modern board with an uefi would default to IDE I have no idea. Nothing earth shattering, but annoying. I haven't sworn them off, but Ill look twice in the future.

I'm sure I'll be criticized for this, but I've traditionally preferred Gigabyte. Although it seems lately they've kinda lost it a bit, which is why I tried the MSI in the first place.

I have my biases from 20+ years of builds between me and my friends experiences. I keep tabs on new hardware but I don't follow it religiously, except when Im about to buy.

I still believe my spec, on budget, will hit 1080p max settings no problems. That's all I tried to accomplish with a 10 minute browsing of newegg, but apparently I should be shielded from others for their safety.

Personally i have a Gigabyte G1 Sniper 5 with my 4770k , that board had the best to offer for me when i bought it last year when it comes to what it can run, what it can handle SLI wise etc.

Got nothing bad to say about Gigabyte as of yet, but normally i would have rocked Asus all the way since thats just how i've been rolling the last decade atleast.

And when i decide to go back to Socket 2011 for either a 5930k or 5960X ill most definitly buy a Asus board again i think, quadcore simply aint enough for me, i can't sit here with my 3 monitors , 8 streams open in each their tab in chrome on one of my monitors and play at the same time , simply hogs up to much CPU resources to have that many streams open even tho i only look at one of them at the time, need my 6 core processor back.

I was not getting upset or anything. No where in my post was there anything hostile. LOL.

You guys are way ahead of my on this thread and I am TLDR mode right now. Hope you guys can get OP what he needs.