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Help choosing a laptop

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 5:01 pm
by Marco8YNWA
Hi Cohhilition!

I am on the hunt for a new laptop, whilst I would love to build my own desktop PC I need something portable before starting my PhD next year. I am from the UK so we generally have to pay a premium for computer tech, I have found what I think seems to be a pretty good laptop which should be future proof and last me a few years but I am looking for some advice before pulling the trigger.

Not sure if I can post links or not here but this is the laptop: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291603508103? ... EBIDX%3AIT

Specs:

DELL Insprion 15 7000,
15.6 inch 4K Ultra HD (3840 x 2160) Truelife LED-Backlit Touch Display with Wide Viewing Angle (IPS)
Dedicated NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M 4GB GDDR5
3.50GHZ i7-6700HQ Processor
256GB SSD,
16 GIG RAM

Retail price is £899.99 which is about $1300

Any advice would be greatly appreciated,

Thanks in advance,

Marco

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:03 am
by thisisketts
What's your budget ? There are some great MSI or ASUS laptops out there that are highly recommended but it all depends on your budget and if your using it for just gaming. You could always look at a small ITX build which is a tiny PC but I'm guessing you want something you can take around with you at uni, so you have to think about weight, its fair enough getting a gaming laptop but if your carrying it around all day it will start to hurt your back as most "gaming laptops" are seen as a desktop replacement that you can move around more easily. You don't really need a 4K screen as at 15 inch screen you wouldn't be able to notice the difference really and its always an extra cost, 4K defo comes into owns when you hit more then 30 inches. So look for a 1080p display. You could always look at a Razer laptop too, I believe they have a ultra book coming out this year witch comes with a dedicated graphics card separately, I know it sounds strange they showed it off at CES a few days ago, It's so you can take a light laptop out with you where you need to go and when you get home you can just hook up a dedicated GPU and play what you want. I hope I helped abit, If you can give me some more information I would be able to help a bit more.

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 6:15 pm
by Marco8YNWA
Thank you for the reply I really appreciate the help. I am in a bit of an odd position, currently I have a 17inch laptop which is about 4 year old and too bulky to carry around to uni everyday. As I said I would love to build my own PC and have that set up at home with a couple monitors and maybe an xbox on the side for additional gaming however this doesn't help with my issue of portability for uni, but I might just be given a desk with my own desktop pc at uni so this then wouldn't be an issue and I could goahead and build a pc for home.

So maybe I should change my question and ask for some help on a custom PC build, I would say my budget would be about £900 total for at least a pc + one screen and maybe have some money left over to save for an xbox. Any help would be much appreciated and sorry to be such a pain with changing the topic.

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:43 pm
by BirdhunterLive
[QUOTE="Marco8YNWA, post: 31416, member: 62056"]So maybe I should change my question and ask for some help on a custom PC build, I would say my budget would be about £900 total for at least a pc + one screen and maybe have some money left over to save for an xbox. Any help would be much appreciated and sorry to be such a pain with changing the topic.[/QUOTE]

No worries, mate.

Before I make any suggestions, I'd like to know what kind of Workloads and Games you'd expect to use. As thisisketts said, gaming-laptops are usually on the havier side, which makes gaming desktop + office laptop a better choice. However, if you need a beefy Laptop for your work, a single, more expensive unit 'might' make sense. For example: My friend uses a "relatively" light, but beefy, 17" laptop because he's working a lot with CAD-Software, and then plays some lighter/medium games when he's at home (WoW, Warframe, CS:GO... not at max settings, though). If you don't need a beefy Machine for work, then a cheaper, lighter Notebook with 1080p screen and Onboard graphics is good enough.

If that's the case, then the other Reason why I ask is because of the choices to make for the Desktop. Some Games, like Cities: Skylines or most MOBAs benefit a lot from a newer, higher clocked quadcore CPU, whereas others max out the GPU way before the CPU. If later is the case, you could get by with a cheaper CPU (i5-6400, i5-4460 or even an FX-8350 or i5-3550) and spend the money on a better GPU.

Because of that - and because I don't know the prices in the UK - I can't recommend anything specific. But as a general guideline:

- An Intel i5, Haswell or Skylake (4xxx or 6xxx series) with >3GHz are generally good choices.
- For 1080p/60FPS in the latest Games, on Ultra Settings, you're looking at a GTX970, R9 390 or R9 290X. For 1440p or 120+ Hz, a GTX 980 or R9 Fury is needed. GTX 960 or R9 380 (and lower) for Older, less powerhungry Games or Medium to High settings.
- For MOBAs (League, Dota, Hots), a GTX 950 or 960 is sufficient.
- DON'T bother with CPU-Overclocking and HW if you care about price/performance. The additional costs for an unlocked ( ....K) CPU, a Z... or X.... Motherboard and a decent Cooler will cost about as much as an H....-Motherboard with an i7 (which will outperform any overclocked i5). Invest in overclocking only if you like to tinker and play around with your settings or if you want those "bragging-rights" ;-)
- Higher RAM-Speeds only make a difference when you use onboard graphics. If you use a GPU, the Stock-Speeds (1600 for DDR3 and 2133 for DDR4) are fine. Higher clocks tend to have worse timings and more or less cancel each other out, so there's no point for real-life applications (except for the mentioned onboard graphics or bragging rights).
- You could go with a smaller SSD (240GB or so) and only 8GB of RAM for a start and upgrade later - just make sure that you have RAM and Drive slots to spare. Windows 10 uses about 30-50GB, so you'll have enough for a couple of programms and games left. 8GB will also be enough for gaming, as long as you don't have too much stuff in the background, you're streaming or playing the latest AAA-Games with giant maps or mods.
- Don't skimp on the Power-Supply! Just don't. If you over-invest in anything, do it on the PSU. Use reliable Brands (EVGA, SeaSonic, SuperFlower, Corsair, etc.) and something that's at least 80+ Bronze. And google some reviews about the one you are going to buy.
- Don't forget to include a Windows License, Mouse, Keyboard, Ethernet Cable or Wifi Adapter (if you can't salvage them from previous builds). Some Monitors also don't have a DP- or HDMI-Cable included, so you might need one of those too.
- The Intel Stock heatsink is sufficient for a start (saves you 30-50$). If you buy a case with a cut-out behind the Motherboard tray, you will be able to upgrade later without much hassle, if you want to.

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:04 pm
by Marco8YNWA
Thank you for the great reply, I really am a noob when it comes to PC tech as this will be my first PC build.

After thinking it over I think I will build my main desktop PC(using the majority of my budget) and maybe invest in a very cheap maybe even second hand laptop just to use between my desk at uni and home.

So I would like to have a solid PC to start with I do a lot of mutli-tasking and some light photoshop work as part of my degree. In terms of games I would like to be able to run games like Witcher 3 or Fallout 4 with pretty high settings, I don't mind making this into a long term project either i.e starting with the bare minimum nd upgrading certain components over the next few years. It would be great if you could give me anymore advice on a good setup for my first PC build, I really appreciate all the helpful information you have already provided.

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:27 pm
by thisisketts
[QUOTE="Marco8YNWA, post: 31430, member: 62056"]Thank you for the great reply, I really am a noob when it comes to PC tech as this will be my first PC build.

After thinking it over I think I will build my main desktop PC(using the majority of my budget) and maybe invest in a very cheap maybe even second hand laptop just to use between my desk at uni and home.

So I would like to have a solid PC to start with I do a lot of mutli-tasking and some light photoshop work as part of my degree. In terms of games I would like to be able to run games like Witcher 3 or Fallout 4 with pretty high settings, I don't mind making this into a long term project either i.e starting with the bare minimum nd upgrading certain components over the next few years. It would be great if you could give me anymore advice on a good setup for my first PC build, I really appreciate all the helpful information you have already provided.[/QUOTE]

This site is the best for choosing and pricing parts https://pcpartpicker.com/ . Now building a PC can be hard for the first time, but once your done its a great achievement, I would recommend a power suply unit (PSU) of at least 750w, CPU you want an i5-i7. GPU a nvidia gtx 970 or above or the radeon 390 ? I believe that is the latest amd card, at least 16gb of ram if you want to future proof, depending on what motherboard you get will depend if you want DDR3 or DDR4, Motherboard wise Asus do great ones, the site will show motherboards that fit you CPU socket so don't worry I would suggest an atx type motherboard, Case go with what you feel really most cases do a good enough job with airflow etc

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:39 pm
by Marco8YNWA
Thanks again man, do you have any good recommendations for screens and keyboards? I will be typing a lot of reports and I was thinking about maybe a dual 24inch monitor set up, I would ideally want the screen to be able to be used for an xbox too if possible.

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:13 pm
by Marco8YNWA
So this is probably a good 2-300 pounds over budget as I need a monitor and keyboard in addition http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/nWFPRB

Could you guys maybe suggest some tweaks? Thanks again.

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:36 pm
by thisisketts
[QUOTE="Marco8YNWA, post: 31449, member: 62056"]So this is probably a good 2-300 pounds over budget as I need a monitor and keyboard in addition http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/nWFPRB

Could you guys maybe suggest some tweaks? Thanks again.[/QUOTE]


http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/TnYXjX

Edited a few things, always better to go duel channel with ram so I chose 2 sticks of 4gb and you can always upgrade more, changed SSD to 250gb thats more than enough for OS and a few games / photoshop, and 3tb HDD for less important games etc, monitors samsung do great monitors from 22inch and up, you only need a 1080 one at the size make sure refesh rate is 60hz or above with a small response time 5ms or less. Mice keyboard etc steelseries roccat, razer logitech. Its better to put in the money now as a good system could last 2-3 years till it needs upgrading. Best advice it just collect the parts and build it when you can. Get the most expensive ones first.