building my own gaming computer need advice

[Darknorthh]

would this be a good computer to game on?



AMD A6-5400K/MSI A55/4GB/1TB/450W/CS

This Bundle Includes:

• AMD A6-5400K Dual-Core APU - 1MB L2 Cache, 3.6GHz, Socket FM2, Dual Graphics Ready, DirectX 11, Fan, Unlocked, AD540KOKHJBOX
• MSI A55M-E33 Motherboard - AMD Socket FM2+, AMD A55 Chipset, mATX, Gigabit LAN, 8X USB 2.0 ports, HDMI port - A55M-E33
• Kingston HyperX Fury Red 4GB Desktop Memory Module - 1866MHz DDR3, CL10, DIMM - HX318C10FR/4
• WD Blue 1 TB Desktop Hard Drive, Solid Performance for Everyday Computing - 3.5" - Sata 6 Gb/s, 7200RPM, 64MB Cache, 2yr Warranty - WD10EZEX
• Ultra XBlaster Mid-Tower V2 Case - ATX, MicroATX, USB 2.0, Audio, 6x 3.5" Bays, 3x 5.25" Bays, 7x PCI Slots, Includes 450W PSU

[Lonkley]

I wouldn't. First, as a bias, i would get at least an I5. AMD has been playing catch up for too long. A quick look shows all those components are super cheap. Also there is no graphic card (which is the heart of a gaming rig). For that matter the motherboard has integrated graphics which doesn't need to be there. The power supply is probably super cheaply made as well and I would want 550-650 watts for a single card system. Always buy your case separate from the psu so you know what you are getting. A cheap psu could destroy the whole system, so you don't want to cheap out on them. Also there's no reason not to get 8gb of ram. Four is minimum, and windows is greedy.

To me this looks more like something I would throw in an office to surf the web and use office.

I would look to Rock Paper Shotguns article last week (and this coming thursday) about building vs buying a computer.

[Darknorthh]

So what kind of setup would you suggest

[Lonkley]

Depends on your budget and goals. Personally, I would probably wait awhile for the Haswells to become the norm, and wait for the next release of nVidia cards with higher memory amounts to safeguard future console port's poorly optimized requirements. I usually spend about $9-1200 every 5-6 years for a gaming computer with a refresh on graphic cards after 3 years.

If I were to buy now, it would be a quad core ivy bridge, probably and I5, with nvidia 970 gtx. For case and power, I like newegg's rosewill. I have bought a dozen of the challenger cases, they are inexpensive and work out well. The power supplies I buy are usually rosewill ~600 watt, and I look for the one with thousands of five star reviews, then double check the model number to see if its rated anywhere else. Motherboard, assuming no overclocking and single gpu I would get a H77 chipset board. Match the memory to the board.

I dont have a recent build spec and its the sort of thing that value/performance changes every month. I do think we're at an awkward time right now with consoles allowing use for multiple cores and higher memory allocations. The whole non controvery over shadows of mordor seems like its going to be the story for awhile. I think being able to use a high clocked dual core is going to go away as games start finally taking advantage of multicore 64 bit systems.

[H3ll0J3ll0]

As mr Lonkley said, the one you looked at doesnt offer much and judging from the price of those components i went with the cheapes possible rig, the processor should be able to run modern games and the integrated graphics will do for 720p mid/high and 1080p low/mid.
the rest is just the cheapest possible(except the motherboard). This is what i would consider the cheapest "gaming" computer. if you ad 150-200$ on graphicscard you will last about 3years on 1080p high/ultra.
here is video about the 7850's peformance
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http://pcpartpicker.com/p/dDqNBm

[fullderpgaming]

The APU series AMD CPU's pretty much suck. The AMD FX Series CPU's are better but most of the i5 quads still do better.

Source: I have an AMD FX setup.

[Callumdk]

If you have a budget ill put something together for you as an example and you can go from there.

Source : I have my own IT business and im a IT Nerd , have built PC's the last 15 years

I mean just look at Cohh's computer , i picked 90% of his components and its all dandy

[fullderpgaming]

If you have a budget ill put something together for you as an example and you can go from there.

Source : I have my own IT business and im a IT Nerd , have built PC's the last 15 years

I mean just look at Cohh's computer , i picked 90% of his components and its all dandy

Right on. I understand that Cohh has a partnership with ibuypower but it blows my mind what people pay for computers these days. I am just like... o_O you paid WHAT.

On topic - Go i5/i7 if you can. Intel smacks AMD around these days

[Callumdk]

Right on. I understand that Cohh has a partnership with ibuypower but it blows my mind what people pay for computers these days. I am just like... o_O you paid WHAT.

On topic - Go i5/i7 if you can. Intel smacks AMD around these days

Well my gaming rig + monitors + audio setup has a value of 6.000$

Things are pricey and if you want creme de la creme in everything you're going to have to pay for it

[Darknorthh]

i have a 1000 dollar budget

[H3ll0J3ll0]

The APU series AMD CPU's pretty much suck. The AMD FX Series CPU's are better but most of the i5 quads still do better.

Source: I have an AMD FX setup.

i have a 1000 dollar budget

first of all mr derp gaming its not the processor im after, im after a apu since its cheaper than a cpu + gpu(and my goal was to build as cheap as possible). the fx series doesnt have a built in gpu and thats why i didnt chose them because then i would have had to go with a gpu aswell which would have made the cost go up.

but anyhow lets go back to you slade.1000$ opens up the budget alot. First of all i want to know what gear you have so we can determine if anything needs a update.
so id like you to post your screen,keyboard,mouse and headset. If you dont have any thats fine then we'll just add those to the budget
Then it would be preferable to know what size you would like

[Callumdk]

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/DwQLbv

things can be modified on the list , but if you need a complete setup, this is what i would see if i could afford someway or another, it will last you for a good many years to come.

[Lonkley]

If you're going the APU route, you may as well get a PS4.

Also, I made a mental mistake Broadwell is the upcoming chipset, and current gen is Haswell.

You can build a system for $1000 that will run 1080p well. You don't need to go crazy until you start pushing higher resolutions. I always try to hit a price performance balance.

I just spent a little time throwing together a system.
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/Publi ... r=31368087

One, I assume you have keyboard, mouse, and monitor. Two, I assume you either don't want a dvd etc drive, or already have one. Ive gotten to the point I just either use USB to install windows or just temporarily install one from another box. I went H87 chipset for the two banks of memory, you can fill it 2x4 now, and if need be add another 2x4 down the road. You probably wont need to. If you really need to you can go 4x8.

I went with a a gtx 770 which should power games really prettily through 1080p. This one has 4gb a ram, which I think will be useful. It's $280, and I do have some trepidation, because another $50 will get to a 970 with 2gb (and again, I think 2gb is not good enough anymore.)

I didnt research anything heavily. Prices are always in flux, there's a bunch of rebates, and 2 game combos that dont show with the public list. (Presequel and World of Tanks).

Also newegg will start having black friday sales probably as soon as November. That could be a hit or miss, it was a lot more fun when they had actual black friday with real deals. Still, if you are patient with a plan you could probably shave 10 or 20% or more on components. Although often its the stuff that isnt selling and has poor reviews (or good stuff priced over market).

[Callumdk]

Lonkley i'm going to say this as nice as possible, don't ever market your self as a helper or a pc builder for family or friends ever again

https://community.newegg.com/eggxpert/c ... ected=true

the PSU is a tier5 on this list which means its beyond garbage and can fry your system, these products have been tested and reviewed as beyond horrible and never perform more than perhaps 65-70% of their listed wattage

the GPU is outdated like nothing before, yes he is building a "budget" gaming computer , but really even the motherboard is beyond subpar , horrible chipset that wont be able to perform in any way or handle any major upgrades.

The memory , 1333mhz ? , what is this ? , year 2008-09 ?

Do your self a favor Slade, save up a little more money and buy what i listed and you will be set for 3-4 years atleast.

There is good combo deals comming out, and Black Friday comes in November , then the 1200$ build i listed you would possibly be able to get for around 1000$

[Lonkley]

Also as a side note,its not optimal, but the you could probably get by with the integrated graphics onboard the i5 if you turn down the graphics. Then wait for a graphic card that is suitable. Also whatever card you have now may work better if your current problem is cpu bound (unlikely).

[Lonkley]

You're right, I missed the memory. That is a mistake, i tend to make them when I do things fast. I would of specced 1600, I'm glad you caught it. I know you're going to say why not 3000, but I don't touch anything that has to do with overclocking. No matter how much the norm, if he's asking for a spec im sure he doesn't want to deal with it either. So I'll take that knock.

And yes, the gtx 770 is older, but unless he goes above 1080p, it's not going to be an issue. It was also considered above midrange when it came out, all of last year. That said you found a 970 with 4gb, assuming you can actually find one in stock ant the price you found, I would favor that, but again thats another $70. Which may or may not be worth it for him.

The Rosewill Hive is Tier 2 on your list. Tier 5 is Rosewill not listed above. For a computer pulling probably around 350 watts, that should give a nice safe zone from 550.

And not to get in a pissing match, but MSI is hardly the stellar name in hardware. These are all my opinions, and yeah, I would buy it for family if thats the criteria I had to buy TODAY with a $1000 limitation. There is ALWAYS better performance available.

[fullderpgaming]

Also as a side note,its not optimal, but the you could probably get by with the integrated graphics onboard the i5 if you turn down the graphics. Then wait for a graphic card that is suitable. Also whatever card you have now may work better if your current problem is cpu bound (unlikely).

I would recommend against that if the user is planning on doing any streaming. Streaming is a very CPU intensive process when you put it on the CPU to encode the video. If you plan on streaming deff get a GPU with ShadowPlay.

[Lonkley]

I don't recall streaming being an issue, and I wouldn't do it at all other than a stopgap until more cash/chosen card is available.

If I was streaming I would put it on different box and save the headaches. Or at least create a different set of them.

[nodepoker]

Wife and I are hoping to upgrade in the next few months, keeping an eye on this.

[theskuggi]

chill out guys, so budget is 1k, that's doable. Do you have a Mouse/Keyboard/Monitor that you currently enjoy using? Also what is your preferred store? Also any idea of what games you'll be wanting to play on it? Current/upcoming?