ArcheAge - Cohhilition Gathering and Crafting - How You can contribute!

[seanxlol]

Hi Rynea,
I'm curious will there be any incentive for someone who focuses primarily on gathering to donate all of their resources? I'm just used to games where you sort of do everything for yourself, not games like this where there is massive collaboration so that is why I am wondering. Not to be rude or anything =)

[Zenimer]

I think personally and plan to offer to craft anything guildmates/ Alliance members and friends of Cohhilition can get anything for free from me as long as they can provide the mats. I would also like to figure out a way to come up with a reduced cost to members if they don't have the materials or cannot afford to get the materials. After all if we are all helping each other, we will all be stronger for it in the long run.

[khytai]

I can volunteer to be a Stonemason on my character. Name is Crowde. Currently required materials would be ... Raw Stone.

[Archnite]

Give me a few days to get to level 10 and figure out where I think I want specialize and I will contribute. Look forward to the trade run.

[Rynea]

Hi Rynea,
I'm curious will there be any incentive for someone who focuses primarily on gathering to donate all of their resources? I'm just used to games where you sort of do everything for yourself, not games like this where there is massive collaboration so that is why I am wondering. Not to be rude or anything =)

Yes and no sean .. lets put it this way .. in the beginning, especially as a crafter who wants to specialize, as a single crafter of any sort, you will have to learn and specialize in a lot of different professions in order to be successful, you will need to mine ressources, you will need to make sub components of the things you want to craft. You will need to do a lot of different things. Working in a big group is a huge boost.

What takes the longest in AA is to get enough profession skill in your specialized crafting skill. Having a group to help you with that can help a considerable amount. So for actual crafters, the answer is pretty easy .. you get free materials to work with so that alone should be worth it. Many of the things we craft will be used in one way or another by our whole community. We will gather ore for enough proficiency in metalworking so we can even create farm wagons in the first place. It's like an unlock that we can then use to make however many farm wagons we have materials for.

While for gatherers (not just the profession, but in general people who collect ressources mainly) it's essentially the same, they will level their profession skill.
There will always be the question for gatherers, why they would need a guild in that case. You could probably even argue that you don't need the whole castle / community stuff and you could just gather on your own as well.

There are several different aspects I would say to the whole problematic:

I never said, or intended for gatherers to ONLY gather for the guild. As a gatherer you decide on your own how many of your ressources you want to donate. Some gatherers might also level a lot via quests and don't exactly need these ressources to buy their basic needs, so they might spend more. For others gathering will be their mainstay goal in the game, they won't have other income options and will likely have to keep a lot more of their ressources to themselves.

The guild as a whole doesn't require you to spend all your labor points and then give away all of your materials for free. At the very beginning of the game when we start out, we won't be high level, we likely won't have lots of gold or other things to trade, so it will be more focused on the whole, lets just get to the top fast mentality no matter the cost. Later on when we are more settled, people will very likely have the option of "trading" in their ressources for other things they want or need, we might think about paying them if there are good ways to make money with crafting later on, we might think about trading other guild products, we might think about having vehicles dedicated only for people who give us some sort of donations to use them. There are many many ideas on how to solve this.

For the beginning, right now I expect our gatherers to give however many ressources they want to give and keep everything else to themselves. For some ho couldn't care less perhaps this will be most or all of their gatherered ressources. For others this might just be a random donation from time to time, for yet others it might be 10 or 20% of their total gathered stuff.
We will have too many crafters to figure out one good way for all and I won't even try to regulate it. As a gatherer you're one of the first in line who initially produces all the ressources, as such you will have to decide on your own how much you "donate"

Currently how I for example handle it, is that I have people specify in their mails with the ore they send me, if they want the ingots back or if they want to donate the ore. That way they can decide on their own if they just want to benefit from having ingots made (and believe me I daily use up ALL my labor points just for smelting, so its a definite advantage if you need ingots as a gatherer to let me melt them down for you and have more labor points to gather more ore instead)

If everyone just donates 10% of their gathered ressources, we will have a well working guild as long as we have a big enough gatherer to crafter ratio. Thats why I'm being so picky about crafters in the first place. In an ideal world we will have 10-20 gatherers for every single dedicated crafter, who all only need to spend like 10% of their income ressources for donating to the guild, and still our crafters will be able to work full time with that. Our crafters will easily be able to skill up their profession and won't be bothered to have to use their labor points for gathering just so they can skill up. Everyone including gatherers will benefit from having a crafter around who uses up labor points for them in order to make things.

Whenever you need something crafted, you should head to a crafter even if you can make it yourself. Say for example you're a gatherer for cotton. You want a ship. A ship needs a certain amount of fabric, made from cotton. Say you have 2000 cotton harvested. Lets give a ballpark number here and say the fabric for this ship will take up 500 of your cotton for fabric to make.

What you do is the following:

You take 500 cotton, send it via mail to your tailor and tell them in the mail that you please want it back as fabric.
You then take the fabric the tailor sent you and now have enough fabric for your ship.

Next you send me or anyone we will later set up who's in charge a whisper and tell them that you have 1500 cotton and the fabric for your ship already done, and would like the other materials for it. What we will then do, is trade 500 of the 1500 cotton for lumber, 500 for the metal ingots and take 500 and stash it into the Guild Stash for the guild.

We then build whatever it is you want to have crafted (or in some cases send you all the materials for you to build it, not sure if you can have others build a ship for you)

You now have a ship, even though you never harvested a single ore vein or a single tree. You didn't have to run around finding trees, you didn't have to expensively buy lumber from the auctioneer and you didn't even have to inform yourself about where to find or harvest trees or ore veins. You just kept happily sitting at your cotton farm and farmed your cotton and let the guild deal with everything else.

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First benefit for the gatherer: you wont need to use up your own labor points to make the fabric for your ship
First benefit for the crafter: you can skill while making fabric for your guildmates, for the small price of a few coppers for the mail transaction fee

Second Benefit for the gatherer: you don't need to inform yourself of where or how to get certain materials that are not in your profession
Second benefit for the crafter: you don't have to bother setting up farms, or running around finding materials on your own

Benefit for the guild is obvious, we keep donations and a share from trading so we can enable others to also fulfill their needs.

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Obviously we might have more of one material than of another. In that case I might callout to gatherers and tell them we need more of material X and have too much of material Y please consider this...

I will also try to encourage people who don't care what they gather to take up positions that we might need more than those we don't need. In the end its their choice but yeah, i will try to encourage them. For example we have a leatherer who is currently using his own farms. I talked to one of our gatherers and asked if he doesn't want to turn one of his 3 gardens (he made 3 chars with 1 farm each) into an animal farm for our leatherer. I had our leatherer get in contact with him and maybe that gatherer decides to setup animals in one farm. i can't directly influence what people want to produce, but I can offer them some insight to what we might need and just hope enough take the hints and we have a well rounded production overall.

In the end if things work out fine, I'm sure we can not only stockpile most items to some degree, but also sell off surplus and that way balance our overall ressources out more. We might be able to offer a sort of wage for crafters, who only craft for others and don't keep materials for themselves, we might offer gatherers a wage or some price for their materials they don't need or help them with other things they might want. We will not be able to pay market prices for guild members materials of course to stay competitive, but you won't have to care about selling it yourself and will on the other hand get pretty good deals if you need other materials from the guild too.

But all of that needs a lot of time and work to do, first we need to see that we have all positions filled and enough gatherers, we need to get more members to 50 so we can offer our people safe traderuns, we need to get crafters to higher proficiency so we can build vehicles and all the nice things, we also need to set up fields properly.

Also don't forget its alpha, many of our achievements we try to gain for now are testing. We are preparing so we can start fast and without issues once release hits and have things already organized at that point.

Sorry for the long post, I hope that explains some of my ideas I have so far

[Rynea]

Khytai I'm setting up Crowde as our stonemason for now. When I get ingame in an hour or two I'll try to catch you online at some point to perhaps discuss a few ideas.

[khytai]

Khytai I'm setting up Crowde as our stonemason for now. When I get ingame in an hour or two I'll try to catch you online at some point to perhaps discuss a few ideas.

Sounds good! I'll be heading to work shortly, but I'll be on later this afternoon/evening. If I don't catch you this morning, we can talk then.

[zenkaron]

Do we have a area yet where we are all building?

[hasmuffins92]

I am buying the game this Thursday and would love to contribute to the guild. I am interested in getting into weaponry for the guild. I also would enjoy mining for the guild as well. Once I get the game I'll message you Rynea to get a good idea of what to do.

[seanxlol]

Thanks for clearing that up Rynea that all sounds awesome! Can't wait!

[Lordmatsu]

Not sure if you're gonna have more than 1 dedicated crafter, but I plan to focus on Machining, Alchemy, and Construction first like all the way. Will be active too, if you got room for more dedicated crafters, I'll be down, if not then np.

[AlzirRecon5]

Hi Rynea,

I'm in the game now (Alzir - character name) I'm just running around doing quests right now but I would love to jump on the craftTrain as soon as you have time to message me and we shall get all this done!

Best Regard - Alzir

[Rynea]

Alzir, start with getting your farm quests done and setup and get a feeling for everything for a bit first. If you don't know at all what to plant, try trees for lumber

[Rynea]

Update on our progress so far:

Alright, we tried to get this going, had some help from several people, learned a few things here and there and now have some more considerations to take into account.

First of all, the whole dedicated crafter attempt didn't work out as well as expected. We don't have enough of a stable gathering environment, to be able to have enough ressources for every crafter.

Some professions are easy to push, while others are totally unreasonable in regards to material needs.
As a whole, we didn't have enough active people gathering to get enough materials for many. Also with materials being -especially at the beginning- very unbalanced, it quickly became aware that we couldn't do anything with some ressources at all (iron ingots) while we lacked others drastically (lumber)

I always expected many people to drop out after a day or two again, and that was the case. While we had a lot of help from many, most of these people helped once and then never showed up again. That is to be expected, so I keep an eye out on who will still be around and organize things with those people further.

In the end, our attempts became a lot smaller, a lot more focused on goals, instead of focused on certain specialties and professions.

Many of the professions don't help us a lot in the beginning, because we simply have not enough need to support those in the beginning or not enough materials for them to work their LP away. While we will still keep people around having a certain profession and will try our best to give these people the chance to refine materials of their corresponding job, we all take on different roles as well, especially gathering roles like cutting trees or farming crops.

Expansion has been a very big issue for us. We have several crafters who still only have their garden and not a farm setup yet, because it takes so much lumber. Currently we prioritize getting those people to their farms, even if they don't use it themselves, just so we have more land for more trees to farm, so we have a steady supply of lumber without waiting days to build something.

While Farm Wagons are still one goal and we completed the 10k profession in metalworking goal, we also learned that they will likely be, as 'in the same continent trading' changes drastically, be rather pointless. Therefore we are also looking at a merchant ship as another possible goal right now.

Another issue I've seen is that AA features no kind of Guild information that I am aware of. that means you will always have to go to the webpage to find out who is a certain crafter for what. 95% of the people don't do that .. and unless the crafters on their own voice their professions, they wont get any feedback from gatherers and will never recieve enough materials.

[Zokaro]

Hi Rynea,

I'm gathering only the things that i see while i'm questing at the moment. I can burn my LP for the guild if it helps because i don't use many LP.

I also can fill a hole in a crafting profession if needed.

Ingame Char = Zokaro

[Dishconnected]

You can put me down for Logging/Carpentry. I will primarily be focused on using my LP strictly for lumber generation as this is a pinch point in getting others up and running. I am working with others to get a farmhouse created to analyze the size/structure for release.

If anyone needs assistance please let me know.

[reivongoreheart]

My foci, hopefully, will be Husbandry, Farming, Carpentry, and room for one more. Probably a high mining just because of LP use.

In the late half of the week, I'm ALWAYS ready to burn LP. I work 10-12 hours a day thursday through saturday, so when I log in I have a thousand LP or so.

[Lordmatsu]

Well since Rynea that you didn't answer me I guess you don't need any more crafters but gatherers.

[Zenimer]

Lordmatsu, please check out first page and the post, she has a list of who is doing what craft wise, if there is a opening, please feel free to post to ask for that spot, and if there isn't a spot then gathering and farming to give resources would help all of our crafters the best. I am sure that Rynea will say the same. Also I don't think she is not answering you on purpose.

[Lordmatsu]

Lordmatsu, please check out first page and the post, she has a list of who is doing what craft wise, if there is a opening, please feel free to post to ask for that spot, and if there isn't a spot then gathering and farming to give resources would help all of our crafters the best. I am sure that Rynea will say the same. Also I don't think she is not answering you on purpose.

Regardless if it was or wasn't, my assumption of whether I can be a crafter was never answered.

She said 1-2 dedicated crafters, a lot of the crafting professions already have someone in them. So I'm wondering if it's 1 max, or if it's 2? If 2, then I wouldn't mind being in machining or alchemy first. If not then np

It could've simply been answered by "Sure which dedicated crafter did you want to be?" or "We're full on a lot of crafters, but you can choose the ones that don't have someone already in them."

Not much of a gatherer, I gather the minimum and buy rest on auction house if I need something lol